Mwat, your post brought up the important *political* aspect of the prophets. They claim that God determines the fate of kingdoms, kings, and empires. There are so many examples of this: Jeremiah advocating for surrender to the Babylonians, Isaiah claiming that Assyria is the "rod of God's anger," Second Isaiah's claim that Cyrus the Persian is God's anointed, etc.
Your interpretation of the "my son" in Proverbs is interesting.